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needone- 07-31-2006
M230-compatible Mac application?
I've tried PureTool and Saturn Disk Mounter. Neither work with my M230, and PureRead doesn't unzip properly. Are there ANY M230-compatible Mac apps? Or could someone PLEASE post their OSX binary of Ops? I don't really like using the PC just to download videos.

rglenn- 08-01-2006

Simply uploading a binary version of Ops won't work, because of all of the libraries it requires. Also, the current version of Ops for Mac / Linux is based on the 0.13 codebase, I think, and support for your cam was added in 0.18 (I think).

Amyn- 08-01-2006

If you want a mac, the best thing to do is get a pc and change the visual style to lok like a mac. Then add the dock and bar at the top with free programs off the internet. Get trillian and skin it to look like iChat. You know have a Mac-looking computer that is more compatible :D

GotAnMP3- 08-01-2006

It would be nice if someone would jump on board to port OPS over to OS X. All my Mac-having friends are still stuck with M200 3.40 camcorders. On the plus side, since the keygen hit the scene, the value of 3.xx series camcorders has plummeted. You could likely find someone who's willing to trade for a M220/M230 camcorder.

needone- 08-01-2006

hmm. I don't WANT a mac right now, I HAVE one and I much prefer it over the PC. Yes, it would be really nice if someone ported Ops to OSX...

Amyn- 08-01-2006

I would, if i had the programming exp. and knew how

brite_eye- 08-01-2006

I personally find it amusing that M$ Windows dominates even amongst hackers! Is it simply due to physics of momentum or are other unknown mysteries involved? Note: SuperHacker morcheeba is a macman.

rglenn- 08-01-2006

I personally like to think that it's a finer sense of taste and better upbringing, but I'm told I'm a snob whenever I mention that :) Honestly, it depends on what you've tried and what you like. People with a lot of Mac-using friends, I find, are more likely to wind up with a Mac. EDIT: Submitted before I was done. As for Ops, I'm really immensely busy at work at the moment, but I'll try and compare Ops 0.13 for Linux / OS X vs. Ops 0.13 for Windows vs. Ops 0.19 for Windows tonight, source code wise, and see how much functionality can be brought down for the least amount of effort. Ideally, I'd like to make a fully OS X native version of Ops that uses the OS X USB APIs directly (so it wouldn't even require LibUSB, like PureRead), but lack of experience and time prevent it. Stupid reality...

BillW- 08-01-2006

A quick guide on where to look - the usb commands 0xfe and 0xfa are used to get the each piece of the challenge and put each piece of the response. You need to add 256 to the location for each piece of the challenge and each piece of the response. This will allow the program to work with every cam.

koikoi- 08-01-2006

Sorry for dropping off the radar, I just started a job and was looking for an apartment. Now that I'm settled in, I'm turning back to working on PureTool. I can't immediately comment about the M230 since I haven't been keeping up. rglenn: neither PureRead nor PureTool require LibUSB, they use the native OS X calls. Both have source code available under the GPL. brite_eye: I think it's wanting to reach the most users, though to meaningfully talk about this you'll have to explain your metric for domination :)

rglenn- 08-01-2006

koikoi, that's what I meant (though it may not be how it came out). I should have said "So it, like PureRead, wouldn't require LibUSB, like Ops".

needone- 08-01-2006

Glad to see that people actually want to do something about it! I thought I would just be ranting uselessly...... :D

koikoi- 08-01-2006

rglenn: Sorry, I was skimming. On rereading your original post, I see what you mean. I think PureTool is the native port of Ops that you want :) needone: Can you be more specific about how PureTool fails?

GotAnMP3- 08-01-2006

rglenn: Sorry, I was skimming. On rereading your original post, I see what you mean. I think PureTool is the native port of Ops that you want :) needone: Can you be more specific about how PureTool fails? If I remember correctly (been a long time since I've plugged a Saturn into my Mac Mini), unless you enable mass storage mode - the videos download super slow. And... You have to have a 3.40 series camcorder to enable mass storage mode, and nothing newer than a 3.70 if you're willing to tolerate the super-slow downloads as your only option.

koikoi- 08-01-2006

IIRC (it's been a while since I looked at the code) downloads are slow because the camera incorrectly reports the transfer speed. In Windows, you can ignore this, but (at least in the simple code used in PureRead/PureTool) OS X keeps you honest and respects the slow speed. It may be possible to get around this, I was more interested in minimal functionality rather than optimization. You can definitely enable mass-storage mode on non-3.40 camcorders, I have a 3.62 and I think 3.70 should work. You just need to do the one-time enable (there's a checkbox). As long as people are answering questions, I wanted to check that the challenge-response method for newer cams hasn't changed - the code certainly looks the same. That is, if I just add support for C/R out of a file, would people like needone be happy? Or is there something else that's going wrong?

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