Photo analysis Well, I'm a bit of a hardware hacker, and by looking at the photos of the dock adapter, and the OnSpec datasheet, I have made some guesses as to where the first five connector pins go:
pin 1 - through R11, to T11 and pin 90 on the chip, CF chip enable
pin 2 - through R12 to pin 74, SD power control
pin 3 - through R10 to pin 63, SCL
pin 4 - lost under chip
pin 5 - through R8 to pin 97, SmartMedia power control
pin 6 - power
Pin 7 - GND
Pin 8 - USB
Pin 9 - USB
Pin 10 - GND
I might be wrong, but based on the photos, that's where things seem to go.
It looks like we're missing a data connection...but then, there *is* that USB connection. SD and SmartMedia pins seem to have been brought out to -*test*-('") points...
Peter
sailpix- 12-06-2006
I couldn't entirely follow where the traces went in the photos...
But, based on the chip side where the new interface pin traces are heading - and the number of wires required for each interface supported by that chip - my guess would be that the new camera acts like a MemoryStick.
MemoryStick is the only memory card interface handled by that chip which can work in 4-5 lines. PD could have licensed the MemoryStick implementation core for their new camera's on-board ASIC.
But, that's just a guess. A fairly wild guess since I'm just looking at pictures. :roll:
An MMC connection is looking more realistic. After reading the above link, I think it could be.
After all judging by the circuitry, it doesn't look to advanced. Of course rigging that connection at home may prove to be more difficult.
BillW- 02-23-2007
-Sigh-
I've recently learned the above and was looking to share it here. I guess I missed richardvoigt's post the first time around.
In fact SD cards are also based on SPI, and SD cards are basically MMC cards with optional encryption goodness baked right in.
My guess is that the 510 is emulating an SD card device for the transfer. I'm betting that the data is probably just encrypted during the transfer, but it's possible that it's encrypted on flash too.
radarman- 02-23-2007
If it is MMC, could you use a standard USB SD/MMC reader? Might have to work out the pins a bit, but there shouldn't be that many combinations. A scope would tell you which one is the clock line, leaving three pins (8 combinations).
BillW- 02-23-2007
Yeah, I believe that's what the PD dock is - an SD to USB adapter. It probably even presents itself to the OS like that. The question is, does it do it with encryption or not.
I haven't encountered SD card encryption before. Wikipedia talks a bit about it in their SD card entry but they don't cover the implementation or usage details.
Amyn- 02-23-2007
THe only way to know is to try...
radarman- 02-23-2007
The real trick is being willing to buy one. The 510's aren't NEARLY as good as the 410's. The preview display is crappier, the pictures themselves are crappier...
However; in the name of science, I may have to truck down to the local CVS and pick one up. :)
caterpillarclub- 02-24-2007
510 I have several recycled ones I'd be happy to give up for the cause...
star882- 02-28-2007
An MMC connection is looking more realistic. After reading the above link, I think it could be.
After all judging by the circuitry, it doesn't look to advanced. Of course rigging that connection at home may prove to be more difficult.
And remember the bump that is supposed to activate a switch? SD slots often use a switch to check for the presence of a card before applying power or trying to read the card.
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