Especially if you take into account Listers discovery:
I believe all the challenges have 4 bytes which are sequential throughout the table (I originally said 5, which is incorrect). All the processor has to do when it receives the challenge is to extract the bytes (a single dword), move them to the address register, select the rom, read in the datum and send it back to the camera as a response. No binary search algorithm would be needed.
Lister could you elaborate on this find ?
You honor me more than I'm worth, Sir...It's not a discovery, it's just a guess. I like to think it's a good guess, but a good guess is still just a guess. ;-)
OK, in your best guestimation, which bytes do you think represent the id
bytes (first 4 maybe, that's why we see all the 02 start markers ?).
I read the CHAP information. It's interesting. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like the process is 100% computational. With these cameras, the challenge/response pairs are "hardwired", that is, they are recorded in the cameras firmware. This would be a major (and self-defeating) no-no for a CHAP system.
CHAP comes for free as a 'crypto' system on Windows (what the development platforms are running), and is computationally inexpensive.
Furthermore, having a key file lookup on the development PC would requires a 2^32 * 128 bytes == 512 gigabyte file. I don't know if you ever
worked with a large dataset, but this is a cumbersome amount of data either for a lookup table or a PAP authentication file :-).
BeesCUV- 07-20-2005
lookup table has multiple drawbacks. dabass
number 1, the table storage aint free.
number 2, one copy of the table and the security is kaput.
number 3, tables need updating, and that aint free either.
number 4, any coder can design tougher to break algorithms.
number 5, most large tables have bugs.
I would use a hybrid security myself. Maybe a small table, then some chunks from the challenge, fiipped and flopped, and then a crude little alogrithm.
then add tricks as history dictates.
just my puny 2 cents, and likely already in your considerations.
PS, thx to you and the many. I'm retired mainframer and enjoying you folks immensly. No CVS in N. Cal so I'm watching for another store to have those cameras.
radarman- 07-20-2005
BeesCUV - let me know if you want some cameras to play with. I'm already sending cameras to a guy on the board. I'm still on my quest to find a 6550/30 - so I'm looking for an excuse to go back to CVS. :)
Lister- 07-21-2005
OK, in your best guestimation, which bytes do you think represent the id bytes (first 4 maybe, that's why we see all the 02 start markers ?).
My "theory" utilizes no ID bytes, just 3 address bytes (keeps getting better, doesn't it? First I said 5, then 4 and now it's down to 3). Still, many small processors use dwords as native architecture, so 4 bytes is still a viable number. See below.
Furthermore, having a key file lookup on the development PC would requires a 2^32 * 128 bytes == 512 gigabyte file. I don't know if you ever
worked with a large dataset, but this is a cumbersome amount of data either for a lookup table or a PAP authentication file :-).
I never said the database had to contain every possible bitwise combination. I said that a "standard" random database of half a million C/R pairs would fit inside a 128MB rom.
Look, here's a quick flyby of the numbers:
A 128mb rom has 134,217,728 bytes.
A Challenge/Response set in a camera has 256 bytes.
So: A 128MB rom can hold 524,288 C/R sets.
524,288 is 2^19
3 bytes has 24 bits
So: 3 bytes can enumerate any C/R set in the rom.
Topaze- 07-21-2005
Lister –
Actually, you’re back up to 4 bytes; in order to read all of the data, you must be able to address all 134,217,728 bytes in the ROM. That requires 27 address lines. (2**27 = 134,217,728… OK, 26 address lines if it is a 64MWX16 ROM)
Topaze
Lister- 07-21-2005
Agreed that it will ultimately require 4 bytes, but the "enumeration" can be carried in just 19 bits. Again, these 19 bits can be the LS bits of a dword, which makes the operation a whole lot simpler.
To get the physical address, the processor would extract the 19-bit enumerator and shift it 8 bits to the left. As you point out, this yields a 27-bit address width.
awdark- 07-21-2005
S Cam3 cvs blue
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del+shutter+power
6550
28
28
20
timer+shutter+pwr
EA
50
43
20
49
48
mikey- 07-24-2005
My pv2keys.txt had all of this in it, but I've only done one nvram.dat, Did it get 6 keys from the same camera?
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BillW- 07-24-2005
The keyscan pulls in any valid keys it can find in SDRAM and writes them all out. This is advantageous because sometimes there are old or corrupted keys found.
So yes, they came from the same camera.
zapped- 07-24-2005
S zapped'sNew6550-2B
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Hownow- 07-26-2005
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Hownow- 07-26-2005
Think this would be more help if they were all consolidated into one file that could be downloaded.
BillW- 07-26-2005
Feel free to consolidate and start a "consolidated keys" topic! ;)
Hownow- 07-26-2005
Consolidated keys Feel free to consolidate and start a "consolidated keys" topic! ;)
Well I don't have time to keep up with this all the time but here are all the keys that have been listed here so far...
Not sure if the key names have to be unique but I made them unique just in case.
S mpho01-6520-2B-02
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S RayM-6550-2b
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S mpho01-6550-2B-03
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S mpho01-6550-2B-02
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S WebcoW-6550-2B
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EzySetup- 07-27-2005
This one appears to be new...
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Its from a CVS Red Device:
FIRMWARE ---- 6550
HARDWARE ------ 06
TYPE ID ---------- 2B
CMP TYPEID ----- 2B
ID - DB1051901302
REALM ID -------- 20
Regards,
EzySetup
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