Question using with Linux (no answer from Linux forum)

Question using with Linux (no answer from Linux forum)
You guys have been so great at helping me get my CVS 200 and 230 camcorders working with Windows 98, so maybe someone can help me with this as well. I have a dual boot system, trying to use Ubuntu Linux as my main operating system. I downloaded the ops for Linux, but it doesn't find either camera. I tried a lsusb and I don't see either device there as well. Is there some step I am missing? Thanks in advance! :)

we have a linux forum? can you repeat the question, verbosely? i'm one of the "linux guys", if you will, and i most certainly don't want to come off as unhelpful.

Linux and CVS camcorders
Hi, and thanks for the response!! Right off the top I want to let you know I am a noobie to Linux, and don't really know much yet - I guess you could call me just a "user" for now. So, I really expect I'm just missing something or doing something stupid (I'm well know for that!! :) ). As far as a Linux forum, I may have misunderstood what I was looking at. When you come to camerahacking for the CVS camcorder, there is an entry at the top about Linux. Maybe I misktook that as the place I was supposed to post. :wink: So, I've got 2 CVS camcorders - a model 200 and a model 230. I ended up wiping my harddrive, reinstalling an old Windows 98SE and Linux again so I could dual boot. (I'd prefer just to stay in Linux if possible). I did eventually get the camcorders to work in Windows via c2r and then using ops21. I went back to Linux and reinstalled the ops-for-linux package (found that mentioned somewhere on the forum). I just can't get ops-for-linux to even know the cameras exist. Even when I do gksudo ./ops, I get a message right away saying camcorder not found, and in the command line window it still kicks out a message saying perhaps I need to be super user. I thought that perhaps Linux itself just wasn't seeing the cameras, so I did a lsusb and only my Belkin usb wireless adaptor shows. Do I perhaps have to "mount" the cameras somehow (even thought they aren't really a true file system)? What I really want is to be back to 100% Linux and be able to work with the CVS camcorders. I hope that explains it, and thanks again for the reply!! :)

Update
Okay, I went back in Linux and tried again. The model 230 does not show with lsusb, and it comes up right away in ops-for-linux saying camcorder not found. The model 200 DOES show with lsusb, but I get the following results (from terminal where ops was started); dave@dave-desktop:~/ops-for-linux$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 015: ID 167b:0101 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 dave@dave-desktop:~/ops-for-linux$ gksudo ./ops No device to close usb device with VID==167b PID==0101 Found the camcorder: Pure Digital Inc. Saturn , VID:167B PID:0101 Found camcorder. Connected to camcorder. External key file, saturnkeys.txt was found and will be loaded ERROR: (unlock_camcorder.c, 151): Failed at 0xff read (read 4 bytes of response) ERROR: (unlock_camcorder.c, 208): Failed to retrieve challenge key Closing device No device to close usb device with VID==167b PID==0101 Found the camcorder: Pure Digital Inc. Saturn , VID:167B PID:0101 Found camcorder. ERROR: (io/open_device.c, 38): Couldn't connect to camcorder. ERROR: (open_camcorder.c, 15): Camera can be found but can't be opened. ERROR: (open_camcorder.c, 16): Maybe you're not running as superuser (root)? dave@dave-desktop:~/ops-for-linux$ Also lshw shows either camera - so I guess Linux does know about them after all, but the 230 with 53.18 firmware doesn't show in lsusb. I remember reading somewhere in the forum that for 53.18 firmware you had to have ops21 for it to work in Windows - that's why I have that it Windows. However, the ops-for-linux that I found is ops20, not ops21. Maybe that will help some? :)

are you using them through a hub?

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are you using them through a hub? No, I just use a cable to connect them one at a time to one of my computers USB ports. I do have a hub on the other port, and when I try them in Windows via the hub that even works. :) I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not, but since ops21 was required in Windows to get this work, I know that it also required the libusb stuff at 1.10 (?) or 1.12(?) if I remember right. Maybe there is something in the libusb stuff that allows it in Windows but that stuff isn't yet ported to Linux? BTW - it fails to open either of them even when using the key file I copied over from Windows. Thanks again! :)

well, they should both identify themselves to the os first and foremost. that's independent of libusb or ops. try downloading avidownload and running it as root

well, they should both identify themselves to the os first and foremost. that's independent of libusb or ops. try downloading avidownload and running it as root avidownload doesn't see the model 200, sees the model 230 but won't unlock it using the key file I use for Windows.

the keyfile must be named /home/username/.saturnkeys i think that's in the readme. in any case, try updating or upgrading your distribution. and post a "lsusb -v" with each camcorder plugged in and powered on

the keyfile must be named /home/username/.saturnkeys i think that's in the readme. Yes, that's what I did - the contents are a copy/paste from the Windows key file. in any case, try updating or upgrading your distribution. and post a "lsusb -v" with each camcorder plugged in and powered on From the model 230: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 167b:0101 Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x167b idProduct 0x0101 bcdDevice 0.00 iManufacturer 1 Pure Digital Inc. iProduct 2 Saturn iSerial 3 PS0000010 bNumConfigurations 1 From the model 200: Note that the model 200 does not show. I have no idea why, considering it works in Windows. If I forget about the model 410 Red CVS dig. camera, and just want to get these 2 CVS camcorders working in Linux, how?? Do I need to somehow mount the usb device, and if so, how? I wiped out my Windows last night due to trying to update the libusb-win32 package, so now I don't have a way to get any videos at all. I REALLY want this to work in Linux. It's been YEARS since I last did any programming in C or C++, but if someone can point me to all the source, including the libraries it uses, maybe I can try to figure it out. Thanks! :) EDIT: edited by SaturnNiGHTS to reduce length of page

it's not a source or application issue. the application works. the source is on sourceforge, though. you're welcome to it. yep, it does not detect. how about this...after plugging in the camcorder, type "dmesg" and see if there are any usb-related errors. something failing to enumerate, power overlimiting, etc. it is definitely odd that the cam detects in windows, but not linux. i'm inclined to say "hardware" Here's the output when the model that is not recognized is connected: dave@dave-desktop:~$ dmesg < 0.000000> Linux version 2.6.20-16-generic (root@terranova) (gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)) #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 (Ubuntu 2.6.20-16.32-generic) < 0.000000> BIOS-provided physical RAM map: < 0.000000> sanitize start < 0.000000> sanitize end < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 0000000000000000 size: 000000000009f800 end: 000000000009f800 type: 1 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() type is E820_RAM < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 000000000009f800 size: 0000000000000800 end: 00000000000a0000 type: 2 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 00000000000e6c00 size: 0000000000019400 end: 0000000000100000 type: 2 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 0000000000100000 size: 0000000003ffd800 end: 00000000040fd800 type: 1 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() type is E820_RAM < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 00000000040fd800 size: 0000000000002000 end: 00000000040ff800 type: 3 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 00000000040ff800 size: 0000000000000400 end: 00000000040ffc00 type: 4 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 00000000040ffc00 size: 000000000bf00400 end: 0000000010000000 type: 1 < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() type is E820_RAM < 0.000000> copy_e820_map() start: 00000000fff80000 size: 0000000000080000 end: 0000000100000000 type: 2 < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009f800 (usable) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 000000000009f800 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 00000000000e6c00 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000040fd800 (usable) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 00000000040fd800 - 00000000040ff800 (ACPI data) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 00000000040ff800 - 00000000040ffc00 (ACPI NVS) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 00000000040ffc00 - 0000000010000000 (usable) < 0.000000> BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) < 0.000000> 0MB HIGHMEM available. < 0.000000> 256MB LOWMEM available. < 0.000000> Entering add_active_range(0, 0, 65536) 0 entries of 256 used < 0.000000> Zone PFN ranges: < 0.000000> DMA 0 -> 4096 < 0.000000> Normal 4096 -> 65536 < 0.000000> HighMem 65536 -> 65536 < 0.000000> early_node_map<1> active PFN ranges < 0.000000> 0: 0 -> 65536 < 0.000000> On node 0 totalpages: 65536 < 0.000000> DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap < 0.000000> DMA zone: 0 pages reserved < 0.000000> DMA zone: 4064 pages, LIFO batch:0 < 0.000000> Normal zone: 480 pages used for memmap < 0.000000> Normal zone: 60960 pages, LIFO batch:15 < 0.000000> HighMem zone: 0 pages used for memmap < 0.000000> DMI 2.1 present. < 0.000000> ACPI: RSDP (v000 PTLTD ) @ 0x000f6b80 < 0.000000> ACPI: RSDT (v001 PTLTD RSDT 0x00000000 PTL 0x01000000) @ 0x040fdb3c < 0.000000> ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL KUBLAI 0x19990409 PTL 0x000f4240) @ 0x040ff78c < 0.000000> ACPI: DSDT (v001 Intel S2440BX 0x00000000 MSFT 0x01000004) @ 0x00000000 < 0.000000> ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI < 0.000000> ACPI: Disabling ACPI support < 0.000000> Allocating PCI resources starting at 20000000 (gap: 10000000:eff80000) < 0.000000> Detected 498.864 MHz processor. < 41.683686> Built 1 zonelists. Total pages: 65024 < 41.683700> Kernel command line: root=UUID=02bd9471-e36c-4927-ac35-7dd70a3b5585 ro quiet splash < 41.684473> Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic" < 41.684504> mapped APIC to ffffd000 (0120a000) < 41.684518> Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. < 41.684529> Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. < 41.684564> Initializing CPU#0 < 41.684695> PID hash table entries: 1024 (order: 10, 4096 bytes) < 41.686121> Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 < 41.686806> Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) < 41.687394> Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) < 41.722125> Memory: 248888k/262144k available (1993k kernel code, 12736k reserved, 900k data, 328k init, 0k highmem) < 41.722169> virtual kernel memory layout: < 41.722174> fixmap : 0xfff4e000 - 0xfffff000 ( 708 kB) < 41.722180> pkmap : 0xff800000 - 0xffc00000 (4096 kB) < 41.722186> vmalloc : 0xd0800000 - 0xff7fe000 ( 751 MB) < 41.722192> lowmem : 0xc0000000 - 0xd0000000 ( 256 MB) < 41.722198> .init : 0xc03d9000 - 0xc042b000 ( 328 kB) < 41.722203> .data : 0xc02f2429 - 0xc03d36d4 ( 900 kB) < 41.722209> .text : 0xc0100000 - 0xc02f2429 (1993 kB) < 41.722223> Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. < 41.800668> Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 998.85 BogoMIPS (lpj=1997705) < 41.800835> Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized < 41.800863> SELinux: Disabled at boot. < 41.800933> Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 < 41.801439> CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 < 41.801481> CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K < 41.801493> CPU: L2 cache: 512K < 41.801503> CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 00000000 00000000 00000000 < 41.801544> Compat vDSO mapped to ffffe000. < 41.801569> Remapping vsyscall page to ffffe000 < 41.801602> Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. < 41.816963> SMP alternatives: switching to UP code < 41.817533> Freeing SMP alternatives: 11k freed < 41.818179> Early unpacking initramfs... done < 43.075674> CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Katmai) stepping 02 < 43.075697> SMP motherboard not detected. < 43.075707> Local APIC not detected. Using dummy APIC emulation. < 43.075884> Brought up 1 CPUs < 43.076897> Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware < 43.077099> Time: 20:59:18 Date: 08/29/107 < 43.077225> NET: Registered protocol family 16 < 43.077602> EISA bus registered < 43.078365> PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd993, last bus=1 < 43.078375> PCI: Using configuration type 1 < 43.078382> Setting up standard PCI resources < 43.082589> ACPI: Interpreter disabled. < 43.082604> Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay < 43.082635> pnp: PnP ACPI: disabled < 43.082649> PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support... < 43.082708> PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00f6ba0 < 43.082722> PnPBIOS: PnP BIOS version 1.0, entry 0xf0000:0x9ff4, dseg 0x400 < 43.089743> PnPBIOS: 17 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 17 recorded by driver < 43.089956> PCI: Probing PCI hardware < 43.089978> PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) < 43.090479> * Found PM-Timer Bug on the chipset. Due to workarounds for a bug, < 43.090487> * this clock source is slow. Consider trying other clock sources < 43.090551> PCI quirk: region 8000-803f claimed by PIIX4 ACPI < 43.090563> PCI quirk: region 7000-700f claimed by PIIX4 SMB < 43.090967> Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0 < 43.092991> PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX/ICH <8086/7110> at 0000:00:07.0 < 43.094854> NET: Registered protocol family 8 < 43.094863> NET: Registered protocol family 20 < 43.095067> pnp: 00:00: ioport range 0x370-0x371 has been reserved < 43.095118> pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved < 43.095131> pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x8000-0x803f has been reserved < 43.095143> pnp: 00:0a: ioport range 0x7000-0x700f has been reserved < 43.096830> PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:10000@fe000000 for 0000:01:00.0 < 43.096896> PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:01.0 < 43.096903> IO window: disabled. < 43.096916> MEM window: f4000000-f4ffffff < 43.096928> PREFETCH window: fc000000-fdffffff < 43.097024> NET: Registered protocol family 2 < 43.136564> IP route cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 1, 8192 bytes) < 43.136868> TCP established hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) < 43.137127> TCP bind hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) < 43.137263> TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 4096) < 43.137273> TCP reno registered < 43.148723> checking if image is initramfs... it is < 45.555924> Freeing initrd memory: 6781k freed < 45.557321> audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) < 45.557366> audit(1191099561.056:1): initialized < 45.557874> VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 < 45.557951> Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) < 45.558150> io scheduler noop registered < 45.558163> io scheduler anticipatory registered < 45.558172> io scheduler deadline registered < 45.558223> io scheduler cfq registered (default) < 45.558251> Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers. < 45.558891> isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... < 45.913269> isapnp: No Plug & Play device found < 46.054307> Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac < 46.054637> Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled < 46.054938> serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A < 46.057612> 00:0e: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A < 46.058526> mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice < 46.061509> RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size 1024 blocksize < 46.062334> input: Macintosh mouse button emulation as /class/input/input0 < 46.062524> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 < 46.062542> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx < 46.063161> PNP: PS/2 Controller at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 < 46.066288> serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 < 46.066308> serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 < 46.066844> EISA: Probing bus 0 at eisa.0 < 46.066870> Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 1 < 46.066912> Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 7 < 46.066922> Cannot allocate resource for EISA slot 8 < 46.066930> EISA: Detected 0 cards. < 46.067226> TCP cubic registered < 46.067258> NET: Registered protocol family 1 < 46.067336> Using IPI No-Shortcut mode < 46.067424> Time: tsc clocksource has been installed. < 46.067515> Magic number: 7:762:1004 < 46.067534> hash matches device ttye3 < 46.067770> hash matches device 00:06 < 46.069034> Freeing unused kernel memory: 328k freed < 46.092386> input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1 < 47.949993> Capability LSM initialized < 48.150744> thermal: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_set_thermal_limit < 50.030143> SCSI subsystem initialized < 50.079106> libata version 2.20 loaded. < 50.097715> PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 < 50.097756> PIIX4: chipset revision 1 < 50.097765> PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later < 50.097787> ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1000-0x1007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio < 50.097822> ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1008-0x100f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio < 50.097848> Probing IDE interface ide0... < 50.174436> usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs < 50.174526> usbcore: registered new interface driver hub < 50.174638> usbcore: registered new device driver usb < 50.181535> USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v3.0 < 50.498543> hda: IBM-DJNA-371350, ATA DISK drive < 50.905781> Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M < 50.976956> FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 < 51.170455> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 < 51.170633> Probing IDE interface ide1... < 51.905874> hdc: SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-248F, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive < 52.242174> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 < 52.251298> PCI: setting IRQ 9 as level-triggered < 52.251313> PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 0000:00:07.2 < 52.251337> PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 0000:00:10.0 < 52.251369> uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: UHCI Host Controller < 52.252292> uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 < 52.252349> uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 9, io base 0x00001020 < 52.254340> usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice < 52.255051> hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found < 52.255094> hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected < 52.288379> hda: max request size: 128KiB < 52.328982> hda: 26712000 sectors (13676 MB) w/1966KiB Cache, CHS=26500/16/63, UDMA(33) < 52.329011> hda: cache flushes not supported < 52.329140> hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 > < 52.465209> hdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 8192kB Cache, UDMA(33) < 52.465241> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 < 52.597563> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 < 52.760503> usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice < 52.764377> hub 1-2:1.0: USB hub found < 52.767244> hub 1-2:1.0: 4 ports detected < 52.840279> Attempting manual resume < 52.840293> swsusp: Resume From Partition 3:5 < 52.840301> PM: Checking swsusp image. < 52.840626> PM: Resume from disk failed. < 52.965201> kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds < 52.965244> EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. < 53.091078> usb 1-2.1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 < 53.222260> usb 1-2.1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice < 53.430879> usb 1-2.2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 < 53.576096> usb 1-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice < 75.616799> pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 < 75.626893> shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4 < 76.603513> piix4_smbus 0000:00:07.3: Found 0000:00:07.3 device < 76.902927> Linux agpgart interface v0.102 (c) Dave Jones < 76.913348> agpgart: Detected an Intel 440BX Chipset. < 76.919638> agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 < 76.935355> PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:10.1 (0104 -> 0105) < 76.950840> gameport: EMU10K1 is pci0000:00:10.1/gameport0, io 0x1010, speed 1217kHz < 78.065369> input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input2 < 79.659363> pnp: Device 00:11 activated. < 79.659378> parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. < 79.659419> parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 < 80.815968> PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:10.0 (0104 -> 0105) < 80.815993> PCI: Found IRQ 9 for device 0000:00:10.0 < 80.816014> PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 0000:00:07.2 < 81.143751> usbcore: registered new interface driver hiddev < 81.169013> ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' < 81.193683> ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 < 81.193699> ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> < 81.307821> input: Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM) as /class/input/input3 < 81.308257> input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse on usb-0000:00:07.2-2.2 < 81.308307> usbcore: registered new interface driver usbhid < 81.308321> drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver < 81.940905> zd1211rw 1-2.1:1.0: firmware version 4725 < 82.003896> zd1211rw 1-2.1:1.0: zd1211b chip 050d:705c v4810 full 00-17-3f AL2230_RF pa0 g--N < 82.009239> zd1211rw 1-2.1:1.0: eth0 < 82.009281> usbcore: registered new interface driver zd1211rw < 82.403007> fuse init (API version 7.8) < 82.483392> lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). < 82.587386> Adding 602396k swap on /dev/disk/by-uuid/212e2c7a-e5a1-4f5a-b31c-26df760babde. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:602396k < 82.774863> EXT3 FS on hda1, internal journal < 83.616411> NET: Registered protocol family 17 < 91.799149> acpi_cpufreq: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_notify_smm < 91.799526> acpi_cpufreq: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_unregister_performance < 91.800607> acpi_cpufreq: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_preregister_performance < 91.801114> acpi_cpufreq: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance < 103.497729> ppdev: user-space parallel port driver < 108.183864> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) < 111.208074> Bluetooth: Core ver 2.11 < 111.208267> NET: Registered protocol family 31 < 111.208277> Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized < 111.208289> Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized < 111.347491> Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8 < 111.347507> Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized < 111.364247> Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized < 111.364288> Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized < 111.364297> Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.8 < 130.229321> NET: Registered protocol family 10 < 130.229690> lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions < 130.229907> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready < 148.253454> ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'WEP' < 148.510714> SoftMAC: Open Authentication completed with 00:19:e4:3c:11:09 < 148.578018> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready < 168.291841> eth0: no IPv6 routers present < 435.170132> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 < 435.385963> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice dave@dave-desktop:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 003: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:0053 Microsoft Corp. Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 dave@dave-desktop:~$ I'm not familiar with all of this, but I assume maybe I could have sent you just the last 10 lines or so. I also just finished going back to a completely "raw" system. I reinstalled Ubuntu 7.04 using the entire disk and just ran the updates so everything is up to date. Should I try ops-for-linux again now or am I just going to get the same result? Thanks SO MUCH for helping me! I know that since I am new to all of this I'm probably a pain in the tucus, but I really do appreciate the help!! I'm hoping for an all-linux system. Thanks again! :) :)

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Also, I was wondering if Linux is an octal based system like most of the Unix's I have known. If so, do I need to get my keys again while in LInux native, and run them through some Linux native version of c2r or cronos? If so (I know, another dumb question :) ) where do I find a tool that will show the keys from the cameras in native Linux and where do I find a tool that will convert these to cronos keys in native Linux? Thanks again! :)

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Also, I was wondering if Linux is an octal based system like most of the Unix's I have known. If so, do I need to get my keys again while in LInux native, and run them through some Linux native version of c2r or cronos? If so (I know, another dumb question :) ) where do I find a tool that will show the keys from the cameras in native Linux and where do I find a tool that will convert these to cronos keys in native Linux? Thanks again! :) nah, the keyspace is formatted the same, all of the key exchanges are done endian-neutral directly to the camcorder. i am quite perplexed as to why the camcorder does not detect. and it does power on? run "sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log", then plug/unplug/jiggle the cord and both connector ends of the camcorder. see if you get a rise out of it that way. if nothing happens, just hit -c to quit it. Well, I hope this helps some. The camera does power on (both do for that matter) when plugged into the USB cable. The output from the ops-for-linux and the command you sent follow: dave@dave-desktop:~$ su Password: To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>". See "man sudo_root" for details. root@dave-desktop:/home/dave# cd ops-for-linux root@dave-desktop:/home/dave/ops-for-linux# gksudo ./ops Closing device No device to close usb device with VID==050d PID==705c usb device with VID==045e PID==0053 usb device with VID==05e3 PID==0608 usb device with VID==0000 PID==0000 ERROR: (io/open_device.c, 129): Couldn't find camcorder. ERROR: (io/open_device.c, 141): Open camcorder first root@dave-desktop:/home/dave/ops-for-linux# sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log Sep 30 17:48:25 dave-desktop kernel: < 136.595169> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready Sep 30 17:48:43 dave-desktop kernel: < 154.906964> eth0: no IPv6 routers present Sep 30 17:52:30 dave-desktop kernel: < 381.648955> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 Sep 30 17:52:30 dave-desktop kernel: < 381.864541> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 30 17:52:45 dave-desktop kernel: < 396.404702> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 5 Sep 30 17:52:55 dave-desktop kernel: < 406.621681> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 Sep 30 17:52:55 dave-desktop kernel: < 406.777717> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 30 17:53:56 dave-desktop kernel: < 467.248289> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 6 Sep 30 17:53:56 dave-desktop kernel: < 467.360316> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7 Sep 30 17:53:56 dave-desktop kernel: < 467.519378> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 30 17:54:43 dave-desktop kernel: < 514.054594> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 7 Sep 30 17:54:59 dave-desktop kernel: < 530.481601> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8 Sep 30 17:54:59 dave-desktop kernel: < 530.701820> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Sep 30 17:55:05 dave-desktop kernel: < 536.979773> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 8 Sep 30 17:55:12 dave-desktop kernel: < 543.449822> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9 Sep 30 17:55:12 dave-desktop kernel: < 543.665131> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice root@dave-desktop:/home/dave/ops-for-linux# BTW - I have installed Windows 98 in a VMware server VM, but notice that even when I enable USB to the vm that Windows does not see any USB devices (according to the help, only 2 USB devices can be used, so I disconnected my hub and plugged my mouse straight in and left off the wireless network USB device). Linux still shows the model 230 in a lsusb. What would I have to do in Linux to "release" the camera from Linux so the VM can see it? They mentioned some things in the VM help, but the file (/etc/hotplug) doesn't exist on my Ubuntu 7.04. Thanks again! I know this must be getting old for you, so I really do appreciate your patience!! :) :)

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